and202058 发表于 2013-12-27 13:28:00

adidas两款正胶评测。英文翻译,转帖。

<p>本人先声明几点:</p>
<p>1.首先声明本贴为翻译贴,本人对adidas的套胶和其与其他套胶的比较结果无任何立场。只是直译了大部分内容,图片也直接放过来而已。</p>
<p>2.本人不对贴子的内容真实性及
评测结果做任何鉴定。只是翻译而已。所以劝各位球友,帖子的内容仅供球友配胶时参考而已。毕竟烧套胶也有风险,烧胶须谨慎!</p>
<p>3.比较难翻译的地方或者翻译起来感觉啰嗦的地方就意译了。本人真的不是英语专业毕业,尽力翻译而已。有很多错误在所难免,希望大家谅解。</p>
<p>4.感谢<font face="Verdana">yogi_bear</font>做的这次评测。原帖地址:<font face="Verdana"><a href="http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53510&amp;title=adidas-blaze-speed-spin-short-pips">http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53510&amp;title=adidas-blaze-speed-spin-short-pips</a></font></p>
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<p align="left">both rubbers have: 两个套胶共有的特性:</p>
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<p align="left">thickness: 1.8mm(厚度)</p>
<p align="left">weight: 50 gms (1.8mm); 64 gms; 2.0mm&nbsp; for both rubbers 1.8的重50g,2.0的重64g。没剪前</p>
<p align="left">dimensions(尺寸): 169x169mm</p>
<p align="left">hardness: sponge is medium soft&nbsp;&nbsp; 硬度:海绵中等硬度</p>
<p align="left">Test blades: Challenge Speed 7 ply all wood limba blade; Challenge Force 5 ply Limba Blade. Stiga Rosewood 5</p>
<p align="left">测试器材:adidas 的两个型号和stiga 的玫瑰5,adidas 的型号为:Challenge Speed(7层),Challenge Force(5层)。//老外大部分都是横拍</p>
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<p align="left">I have used short pips in the past extensively as a backhand rubber. i have owned ritc 802-40, stiga royal, stiga radical in the past and have also tried tsp spectol and butterfly raystorm. Ive been excited to try these pips since i havent used anything new of a short pip from another brand for a while now.&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left">我反手用短颗粒胶,我用过802-40、stiga royal、stiga radical、tsp spectol、 butterfly raystorm。因为有一段时间没有用新的颗粒胶皮,所以我非常兴奋的去用adidas的颗粒胶皮。</p>
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<p align="left">both pips are high quality pips out from the factory. each of their topsheet is very thin unlike that of the 802-40's topsheet which has a thicker base. its like pips were added to an extremely thin flat layer that is about 0.2-0.3mm thin.&nbsp;</p>
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<p align="left">(正胶的套胶的分胶皮和海绵。其中胶皮分为颗粒和底皮两层)。这段主要说:这两款adidas正胶的底皮很薄,大概0.2-0.3mm。比802-40的薄。</p>
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sww6677 发表于 2013-12-27 17:51:00

<div style="margin: 2px=" 2px"="" 0px;="" width:="" 394px;="" float:="" left;="" height:="" auto;="" color:="" rgb(64,="" 64,="" 64);"=""><div style="font-family: tahoma, arial, 宋体, sans-serif; line-height: 21px; margin: 2px="2px"0px; width: 394px; float: left; height: auto; color: rgb(64, 64, 64);"><span style="line-height: 18px;"><br/></span></div><div style="font-family: tahoma, arial, 宋体, sans-serif; line-height: 21px; margin: 2px="2px"0px; width: 394px; float: left; height: auto; color: rgb(64, 64, 64);"><span style="line-height: 18px;"><br/></span></div><div style="font-family: tahoma, arial, 宋体, sans-serif; line-height: 21px; margin: 2px="2px"0px; width: 394px; float: left; height: auto; color: rgb(64, 64, 64);"><span style="line-height: 18px;">adidasBlaze Spin正胶的特点在于“制造旋转“。巧妙的几何颗粒设计为套胶提供高性能旋转效果且空前的易于使用。柔软的海绵创新结构为套胶提供额外的稳定性,控制性和速度。表层采用100%天然橡胶,耐久性强,具有全方位的能力。同时,超强紧缩效果集成于表层和海绵之间以产生高效能。Blaze Spin强烈推荐给第一次打颗粒套胶的选手。此外,Blaze Spin正</span><span style="line-height: 18px;">胶也极力推荐给能够灵活运用各种战术的快攻打法选手<br/></span></div></div>
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sww6677 发表于 2013-12-27 17:51:00

<div style="font-family: 'tahoma arial=" arial"="" 微软雅黑="" 宋体';="" font-weight:="" normal;="" color:="" rgb(64,="" 64,="" 64);="" line-height:="" 24px;="" margin:="" 2px="2px" 0px;="" width:="" 394px;="" height:="" auto;="" float:="" left;"=""><div style="color: rgb(64, 64, 64); font-family: 'tahoma arial=" arial"="" 微软雅黑="" 宋体';="" line-height:="" 24px;="" margin:="" 2px="2px" 0px;="" width:="" 394px;="" height:="" auto;="" float:="" left;"=""><span style="color: rgb(60, 60, 60); font-family: tahoma, arial, 'Hiragino Sans="Sans"GB', 宋体, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; line-height: 24px;">&nbsp;ADIDAS阿迪达斯 Blaze speed 德系内能生胶套胶</span></div></div><div style="font-family: 'tahoma arial=" arial"="" 微软雅黑="" 宋体';="" font-weight:="" normal;="" color:="" rgb(64,="" 64,="" 64);="" line-height:="" 24px;="" margin:="" 2px="2px" 0px;="" width:="" 394px;="" height:="" auto;="" float:="" left;"=""><div style="line-height: 18px;"><br/></div><div style="line-height: 18px;">概念</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">高性能的套胶,满足高水平运动员对适中手感和高速度的需求</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">特点</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">平衡速度,控制/弧线长</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">表层胶皮- 100%纯天然套胶表层耐久性强,具有全方位的能力</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-巧妙的几何颗粒设计专门为制造不转球</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-新一代的多孔隙海绵.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-硬度= 稍软</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-海绵颜色=白色.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-手感适中.为提升更高速度而经过改良.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;"><br/></div><div style="line-height: 18px;">技术</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-精细调整的几何状颗粒.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-进一步提升吸收水溶性胶水的效果.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-极快的速度和制造不转球的能力</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">感觉</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-易于制造不转球</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">性能</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-速度优于普通生胶套胶.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-吃球深且出球速度非常快.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-触球感柔和而精准.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-适合不同打法类型.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;"><br/></div><div style="line-height: 18px;">适用对象</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-追求适中手感的高水平运动员.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">-所有追求速度的业余选手.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">对比型号</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">手感适中的所有一流正胶套胶.</div><div style="line-height: 18px;">尤其是TSP 20082,20192</div></div>

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and202058 发表于 2013-12-27 13:36:00

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<p align="left">both sponges have the same hardness. felt like a 34-35 degree DHS scale hardness to me. The sponge for both pips is a semi-porous ESN sponge. On closer inspection you would see that the spacing of the pips between the speed ad spin versions are obvious. The Speed version has bigger spacing in between pips and the Spin version has lesser space in between pips.</p>
<p align="left">两个套胶的海绵的硬度一样。感觉像红双喜硬度的34-35。海绵都是半多孔的,ESN厂代工的海绵。近距离观察会发现:颗粒的间距上看,Speed要更大。Spin较小。</p>
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<p align="left">the picture above is the Blaze Speed on top and Blaze Spin on the bottom (i took photos of both red and black spin and speed versions)</p>
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<p align="left">他共买了4张adidas的颗粒胶,spin的红和黑,speed红和黑。上图为speed在上,spin超下。</p>
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<p align="left">you will see that the Blaze Speed on top has a narrower pip diameter. The Speed's pip has a straight vertical design after its short conic base while the Spin version has a wider conical design from its base to its top. both pips have a ribbed design.&nbsp;</p>
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<p align="left">Speed的颗粒顶部有更小的直径(比spin)。Speed的颗粒为直筒型,而spin为塔型。颗粒上的花纹,二者一样。</p>
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<p align="left">side by side you can see and compare the pip structures and spacing between the Spin (red) and Speed (black) on the above picture.</p>
<p align="left">上图为:红:spin。黑:speed。放到一起对比图</p>
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<p align="left">My lady friend who was a former national player was also excited to test these rubbers with me. She is a short pips user since she first learned table tennis. She has a US equivalent rating of at least 2300+. I glued the 3 pips (2 on my challenge force blade and 1 on my friend's rosewood 5). i think its important to mention that both the Speed and Spin version have some sort of reverse doming when i was placing them flat on the table before gluing. I couldn't smell the tuning though.&nbsp;</p>
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<p align="left">We both immediately made drills with the 2 pips. She used the red speed version while i was using the red spin version on the backhand. both pips are very fast on a 1.8mm thickness especially the Speed version. If compare it with other pips I have used i would say the Speed version is as fast as the Stiga Royal, faster than the Butterfly Raystorm and Stiga Clippa. The Spin version is slower than the Royal by a few notches but still faster than the Clippa or 802-40.&nbsp;</p>
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<p align="left">The Speed version has a very good knuckle ball effect due to its narrower pip diameter and wider spacing. The knuckle ball is really annoying especially when a high rating player plays with it. The speed version takes a bit of adjustment for me. it has a lower arc than the Spin version but nevertheless a very good attacking pips. The Spin version on the other hand is more versatile in terms of spin variations. The Speed version is linear and predictable. You hit the ball or brush the ball, the spin isnt much to be expected. The Spin version however can several effects to the ball. From a spinny brush against underspin balls which i really find not difficult to lift in my backhand to producing a knuckle ball effect. The knuckle ball effect of the Spin version is not as profound as the Speed version. The Spin version is spinnier than the Royal or 802-40 but on par with the Raystorm. Both pips have a medium soft sponge and the ball kinda sinks onto the sponge.&nbsp;</p>
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<p align="left">on the forehand, I also tested both pips. On hitting and smashing the Speed version is awesome. On driving with some brushes, spinny pushes and serving, the spin version is better. The speed version is an all out attacking pips but also has a good blocking ability where the return of a topspin ball has lesser spin and most of the time a sort of float. The spin version is more predictable in blocking against it or attacking against it. In terms of control, the spin version is easier to handle and has more margin for errors. The speed version gets to shine if you are an all out attacker that wants to take risks.</p>
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<p align="left">我老婆的朋友是个前国家对国手,她非常乐意给我做测试。她从小就用短颗粒胶。我粘了3张颗粒胶皮在3个板子上。。。。(中间省略一些没用的。)</p>
<p align="left">速度上来说,speed要比Butterfly Raystorm and Stiga Clippa都快,和Stiga Royal一样,而Spin比Stiga Royal慢上一些,但仍旧比Clippa or 802-40快。</p>
<p align="left">由于speed有更小的颗粒(比spin来说),所以它的回球有比较好的“飘忽感”(knuckle ball 出自垒球,球手投出的没有旋转的球,该球在空中运动方向诡异,甚至能在运动过程中不断改变方向(可能由于空气流体作用力),从而加大棒球手击打该球的难度。knuckle ball的翻译出自英文的维基百科,这里暂且翻译为“飘忽感”)。这种“飘忽感”的回球会让高水平球员很头疼。我用Speed时,动作上有些微调。虽然Speed的击球比spin弧线低平,但仍然是一个好的进攻型颗粒胶皮。而spin具有更多的旋转上的变化。用spin击打或拉球,弧线不好判断(说击打和拉的球比较“贼”)。我反手用spin摩擦起下旋时,也是比较容易的,并且能产生下沉感。“飘忽感”(knuckle ball),spin没speed好。旋转上说,spin超过了Royal or 802-40(这个802-40是欧版的,据说海绵是德国的。包装也和国内的802-40套胶不一样),但和Raystorm差不多。两款套胶的海绵硬度都为中等,都有球陷到海绵里的感觉。</p>
<p align="left">on the forehand, I also tested both pips. On hitting and smashing the Speed version is awesome. On driving with some brushes, spinny pushes and serving, the spin version is better. The speed version is an all out attacking pips but also has a good blocking ability where the return of a topspin ball has lesser spin and most of the time a sort of float. The spin version is more predictable in blocking against it or attacking against it. In terms of control, the spin version is easier to handle and has more margin for errors. The speed version gets to shine if you are an all out attacker that wants to take risks.</p>
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<p align="left">正手,我也测过两款正胶,击打上,speed 是非常好的。摩擦球上、发球、旋转性回球,spin要更好。Speed 完全是进攻型颗粒胶皮,并且有很好防守能力。对加转的来球,speed回过去的球减弱了旋转并且很多情况下回球还有点“飘”。(好像是个英文省略句,比较难翻译)。Spin在防守和攻击上的回球更相对容易(比speed)判断。在控制上,spin更加容易处理球,并且容错性更好(比speed)。如果你是个搏杀型的“纯进攻”型选手,speed可能更好。</p>
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<p align="left">I'm very impressed with the 2 pips and I would recommend the Blaze Spin for all around short pip users who wants to attack and at the same time have variations in their game in terms of spin generation, hitting and blocking. The Blaze Speed is for players who attacks relentlessly and want to have more knuckle ball effects on the ball.</p>
<p align="left">我推荐进攻和变化型正胶选手用spin。而speed是为那些搏杀并且想要击出更多“飘忽感”的球手使用的。</p>
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hgsjxzzz 发表于 2013-12-27 14:39:00

精英越来越强大了!由衷地表示祝贺!

nndzry 发表于 2013-12-27 16:27:00

进来关注一下。支持分享

内海 发表于 2013-12-29 09:28:00

非常感谢!

sjqka 发表于 2013-12-30 22:25:00

不知道是新材料球的关系还是阿迪舍不得放弃中国的颗粒市场就不得而知了,不管怎么说楼主的文章给了正胶板块吹了一股新风,精华鼓励

Johnny1996 发表于 2013-12-31 13:21:00

&nbsp;adidas這兩款顆粒和hexer pips都是同一類東西,一款旋轉,另一款速度,又是蛋糕海綿。<br/>

and202058 发表于 2014-1-1 18:41:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>sjqka</i>在2013-12-30 22:25:00的发言:</b><br/>不知道是新材料球的关系还是阿迪舍不得放弃中国的颗粒市场就不得而知了,不管怎么说楼主的文章给了正胶板块吹了一股新风,精华鼓励 </div>
<p>呵呵,谢谢版主了。不过翻译起来确实挺麻烦,一个“knuckle ball ”就查了半天。</p>
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